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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 6, 2012 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

Back in '82 and '83 the Boys played 3 shows at the Santa Fe Downs. My recollection is that the Sikhs ran the venue and that they provided security. They were very visible with their blue turbans and beards. They provided free camping and even provided free water trucks with shower heads attached. Their security was exemplary, they were obviously there for the security of the fans and they were very respectful and very nice to the Deadheads.

I remember seeing them deal with a situation with an out of control fan. My experience in other venues was that security would swarm a "troublemaker" and deal with them in a violent and confrontational manner. The security at the Downs was different. Two security guards, in their turbans, spoke very calmly with him and when he continued to be belligerent they subdued him in a very calm manner and carried him out of the venue. I saw the guy later and talked to him and he said that he was having a "bad trip" and the security sat him on the lawn and stayed with him and talked him down. After a little while, they let him back in the show.

I struck up a conversation with a couple of the guards the next day and they told me how they followed a policy of peaceful control and used a form of martial arts that was aimed at peacefully subduing a troublesome person instead of beating them down. Also at other venues I saw many people get taken down violently for smoking joints etc. The Sikhs were not concerned with that at all, they were concerned with keeping the crowds safe.

Santa Fe Downs was a venue that I felt safe at. It was one of the very few places that I was not afraid of the security forces and my show experiences there rank among the best I have ever had. The shows were all great and fun with the band and the crowd all seeming to be relaxed and I believe that the Sikhs had a lot to do with that. I listened to the shows today and they are all high quality well played shows. The links are below.

Maybe my experience was unique, but unlike at other venues where people always complained about security, I don't recall hearing a bad word about the security there.

I had never really had any experience with the Sikh community or religion, but I left Santa Fe with a deep respect for these people.

I want to take this opportunity to thank the Sikhs for a great concert experience (30 years later) and to express my deep sorrow and condolences for the horrific senseless violence that was visited upon their community yesterday in Wisconsin.

http://archive.org/details/gd82-10-17.fob-aud.miller.18108.sbeok.shnf

http://archive.org/details/gd1983-09-10.fob.nak700.wagner.motb-0079.94508.sbeok.flac16

http://archive.org/details/gd1983-09-11.senn441.silberman.clugston.23224.sbefail.shnf


This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2012-08-07 01:23:14

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2012 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

Very interesting.

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Poster: billydee Date: Aug 8, 2012 2:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

I too was at the 1983 Santa Fe shows and it was one of the best weekends of my life. I remember how cool security was. They even let me leave the venue to try and sell an extra ticket a friend came into the show with. And, they let us go back to our car during the longer than normal rain delayed set break the first day.

They set the standard for what concert security could be, I'll never forget that. My thoughts are with them during this tragic and sad time.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 6, 2012 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

I had several Sikhs as customers a while back. The two I dealt w/ the most were the buyers who spoke the best English and were in there late 20's. They had taken an odd route through the Ukraine and Great Britain to come to America. I never asked about their journey here, as I sensed there was something not so good about it.

I often went to the two stores early in the morning as both stores were located in the poorest ten digit zip code in the state and they often paid their invoices in cash, which made the walk to my car a bit more hairy. They were young, unmarried men living in a neighborhood where they were the overwhelming minority in ethnicity and religion.

They were my favorite accounts. They were always smiling (once they woke up), cracking jokes, offering me tea or food, reminding how much money they thought I owed them, ransacking my trunk for chotchkie's or bottles of wine or whatever, and buying from me every single thing they were able to buy.

They taught me cricket and were completely nuts about the game. They had a cricket pitch and wickets set up in the back parking lot of both stores and would try to out do the other store in amenities. (One pitch went off into a supermarket parking lot {in right field} if you smacked it). When India (their team) made the championship ('04?) they were crazy with excitement and invited me to watch the match with them. Cricket matches can go on a loooong time. Days long. Once assured this was indeed the end of the match, I was in. The party (for me) started at 4am on a Monday morning.

I walked in on a scene I will never see again. A roomful of young men, many banishing scimitars (mostly in the air as I was paying close attention) and chanting what I assumed were cheers for India. It was a wild time. Great food. Great drink. And a championship for India.

I remember asking them during the years we did business together, what do you want, what are you working 12 hour days for? To a man, to save up money and go back home, marry, and build a huge house and fill it with children. They were among the few accounts I visited after I left. Same friendliness. Same hospitality. I found out later that they all had huge debts to the Indian man who owned a restaurant across the street. They had been smuggled in one way or another as I sure was the case for Ukraine and Great Britain. Maybe that's why they didn't mind those 12 hour days or not leaving the neighborhood too often. I hope their debts are paid off and I hope they are filling their houses with children.

I would like to thank-you PG for this thread. I am so sorry for the people shot down in Wisconsin.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Aug 7, 2012 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

Agreed, what a devastating senseless tragedy. The Sikh religion is one of the more beautiful of the organized religions in the world today.

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Poster: Spiral Light of Venus Date: Aug 8, 2012 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

Sometimes I really wonder how many people in our nation remember that the entire basis of our country was built on the backs of people who were outcasts for, amongst other things, desiring freedom of religion. So so sad to see hate in so many places in a land built to honor freedom, independence and individuality.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 6, 2012 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

that's some Sikh shit right there...

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Aug 6, 2012 11:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

When you think about our culture (America) we’ve really only been organized for 235 years, the European immigrants established the eastern seaboard some 400 years ago and if you recognize the original native American inhabitants, who lost out to both the Spanish and white conquerors, their chronology goes back some +1000 years.

In every evolving culture there exists amazing wisdom.

http://archive.org/details/gd89-09-29.sbd.17703.sbeok.shnf

We Can Run > Bird Song > China Cat > Rider > Death Don't


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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Aug 7, 2012 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

If this was not a GD forum it would be weird that my screen saver has this pic so similar to yours. AND that I just read a complete description of the Sikh faith this morning before reading this.

9/10/11/83 is up there with a handful of shows that I have played so many times I could pick out from hearing 2-3 notes from any given tune. 2 incredible shows.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 7, 2012 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

Wow, that's, like, DEEP. I'm gonna put We Can Run on repeat, cuz that's the song I like to listen to when I'm thinking my DEEP thoughts. I totally get it too: Sikhs are brown. Native Americans are brown. So they're kinda the same, I guess. Thanks darkstarz, for another really interesting perspective.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 7, 2012 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thank You To The Sikhs Of Santa Fe (Definitely Dead Related)

Don't think dark.starz.koch has an agenda?

Drill down on any one of the photos he's posted and you can access his Photobucket account, which interestingly contains a photo of Cliff and other forum members...